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S5 Abt tuning: V6T mit 435PS/520Nm (& neue Pedale :))
Habe dieses gerade gepost im AZ/A5OC forum, aber leider ist mein Deutsch nicht so gut wie mein English, so wer ein ersatzung braucht............translate.google.com :)
After many consideration, I decided to do the Abt Engine tuning on my S5 cabrio. Since I had some very bad experience with the V6T engine in my first S5 cabrio (see other thread), the Warranty thing is very important to me this new MY 2011 car. Here in EU, only Abt seems to offer full Warranty, but I also looked at MTM, SKN, Wetterauer and APR.
Besides that, of course the real-life performance after the upgrade is most important, especially a growing power curve above 5500 rpm, as well as noticeable higher torque over the whole rpm-range.
I read some horror stories of people using a "piggyback box" (like MTM and Abt seem to use) but further research learned me that it concerned mainly the first months after launch (2009) and boxes that are not specificly tuned to a specifc engine. An engineer of Abt explained to me that their Abt Engine Control Unit (AEC) works now in master/slave mode with the original ECU and
when they have the exact engine nr of your car, they get some more info from Audi, and they can perfectly config the AEC for your car. One other advantage of this solution is that when you get software updates for your car/engine, the AEC keeps working (and so the tuning is not "wiped" as with some other solutions on the market).
The specs of the AEC:
- Power: 320Kw/435PS at 6800 rpm (orignal: 245Kw/333PS at 5500-7000 rpm)
- Torque: 520 Nm at 4700 rpm (orignal: 440 Nm at 2900-5300 rpm)
- Top speed: 282 km/h (orignal: 250 km/h)
- 0-100 km/h: 5,1 seconds (orignal: 5,6 seconds)
- CO2: 224 g/km (original 224 g/km)
Ok, so far the theory, most important is of course......how does it work in real-life?
Before we come to that, here some pics of my upgraded interior (don't like any visible outside mods or logo's to keep it low profile).
RS6 gear knob: with smooth leather (did consider the RS5 one, but way too risky with the 90-degree twisting imho)
Alu pedals: since I got the Abt tuning, I decided to go for the Abt alu pedals also, it gives a nice "touch" :)
Pedals and gearknob: sporty cockpit! :cool:
White fog lights: much less disturbing than the original "yellow" ones
Ok, now let's see how it drives! I did some extensive test driving, and to not only rely on my personal feeling of how fast it is, I also did some test runs (under the same conditions as I did with the car before the tuning), and here are the results:
- 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph): 5,3 sec (was 5,7 sec)
- 80-120 km/h (50-70 mph): 3,0 sec (was 3,5 sec)
- 80-160 km/h: 7,5 sec (was 8,4 sec)
- 80-200 km/h: 15,0 sec (was 17,0 sec)
The fact that the car is fully loaded (with options and driver :)) can explain the little difference compared to the official figures. Despite the absolute numbers, it is of course mostly about the difference between before and after the tuning, and that difference is huge!
Some other tests are under way (0-60 mph for the US guys, 0-160 km/h, 0-200 km/h, mileage, etc).
Also I did not test top speed fully yet, originally it is limited at 272 km/h on the BIS (265 km/h on GPS), now it should go to > 290 km/h on the BIS (282 km/h on GPS), as I see how easy it was after the tune to go to 260 km/h, I am sure that will be ok, but I will try that next week in Germany :cool:
Besides the numbers (2 seconds faster on 80-200 km/h is a huge difference!) the performance is really a major leap forward! You feel much more torque at every rpm, and even can keep driving in gear 7 and still have enough torque for overtaking other cars.
You can also feel that the power-limit of the original setup (flat 335 PS above 5500 rpm) is gone, and the power increases also after 5500 rpm until 6800 rpm.
Abt V6T power graph
Conclusion up til now: the car was fast already, but now has become "insane", especially in Dynamic mode you really feel "king of the road", and when driving in Comfort/Auto, it still is a relaxing cruiser (with also enormous torque). :cool:
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Habe dieses gerade gepost im AZ/A5OC forum, aber leider ist mein Deutsch nicht so gut wie mein English, so wer ein ersatzung braucht............translate.google.com :)
After many consideration, I decided to do the Abt Engine tuning on my S5 cabrio. Since I had some very bad experience with the V6T engine in my first S5 cabrio (see other thread), the Warranty thing is very important to me this new MY 2011 car. Here in EU, only Abt seems to offer full Warranty, but I also looked at MTM, SKN, Wetterauer and APR.
Besides that, of course the real-life performance after the upgrade is most important, especially a growing power curve above 5500 rpm, as well as noticeable higher torque over the whole rpm-range.
I read some horror stories of people using a "piggyback box" (like MTM and Abt seem to use) but further research learned me that it concerned mainly the first months after launch (2009) and boxes that are not specificly tuned to a specifc engine. An engineer of Abt explained to me that their Abt Engine Control Unit (AEC) works now in master/slave mode with the original ECU and
when they have the exact engine nr of your car, they get some more info from Audi, and they can perfectly config the AEC for your car. One other advantage of this solution is that when you get software updates for your car/engine, the AEC keeps working (and so the tuning is not "wiped" as with some other solutions on the market).
The specs of the AEC:
- Power: 320Kw/435PS at 6800 rpm (orignal: 245Kw/333PS at 5500-7000 rpm)
- Torque: 520 Nm at 4700 rpm (orignal: 440 Nm at 2900-5300 rpm)
- Top speed: 282 km/h (orignal: 250 km/h)
- 0-100 km/h: 5,1 seconds (orignal: 5,6 seconds)
- CO2: 224 g/km (original 224 g/km)
Ok, so far the theory, most important is of course......how does it work in real-life?
Before we come to that, here some pics of my upgraded interior (don't like any visible outside mods or logo's to keep it low profile).
RS6 gear knob: with smooth leather (did consider the RS5 one, but way too risky with the 90-degree twisting imho)
Alu pedals: since I got the Abt tuning, I decided to go for the Abt alu pedals also, it gives a nice "touch" :)
Pedals and gearknob: sporty cockpit! :cool:
White fog lights: much less disturbing than the original "yellow" ones
Ok, now let's see how it drives! I did some extensive test driving, and to not only rely on my personal feeling of how fast it is, I also did some test runs (under the same conditions as I did with the car before the tuning), and here are the results:
- 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph): 5,3 sec (was 5,7 sec)
- 80-120 km/h (50-70 mph): 3,0 sec (was 3,5 sec)
- 80-160 km/h: 7,5 sec (was 8,4 sec)
- 80-200 km/h: 15,0 sec (was 17,0 sec)
The fact that the car is fully loaded (with options and driver :)) can explain the little difference compared to the official figures. Despite the absolute numbers, it is of course mostly about the difference between before and after the tuning, and that difference is huge!
Some other tests are under way (0-60 mph for the US guys, 0-160 km/h, 0-200 km/h, mileage, etc).
Also I did not test top speed fully yet, originally it is limited at 272 km/h on the BIS (265 km/h on GPS), now it should go to > 290 km/h on the BIS (282 km/h on GPS), as I see how easy it was after the tune to go to 260 km/h, I am sure that will be ok, but I will try that next week in Germany :cool:
Besides the numbers (2 seconds faster on 80-200 km/h is a huge difference!) the performance is really a major leap forward! You feel much more torque at every rpm, and even can keep driving in gear 7 and still have enough torque for overtaking other cars.
You can also feel that the power-limit of the original setup (flat 335 PS above 5500 rpm) is gone, and the power increases also after 5500 rpm until 6800 rpm.
Abt V6T power graph
Conclusion up til now: the car was fast already, but now has become "insane", especially in Dynamic mode you really feel "king of the road", and when driving in Comfort/Auto, it still is a relaxing cruiser (with also enormous torque). :cool:
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damit Dein Kenntnisse besser werden antworte ich mal in Deutsch :D
Danke für den schönen Bericht und viel Spaß mit der neuen Rakete
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Original geschrieben von softwarefriedl
damit Dein Kenntnisse besser werden antworte ich mal in Deutsch :D
Danke für den schönen Bericht und viel Spaß mit der neuen Rakete
Danke schön (für beides! :D) und ich glaube Du soll auch spass haben mit der MTM! :)
Ich bin froh dass die Deutsche AB so in der nähe ist! :D
Ja, das kann ich mittlerweile auch bestätigen, dass die MTM Cantronic Geschichte eine tolle Sache ist :D
Meiner ist bis morgen noch beim Audi-Zentrum um Windgeräusche (Fenster nachstellen) zu beseitigen und beim Aufbereiter, um den Lack zu versiegeln. Für die Zeit hab ich nen TTS Roadster mitbekommen und bin ziemlich enttäuscht. Ein völlig Emotionsloses Auto mit schlechter Schaltung, knackt und knarzt an allen Enden, keine Mittelarmlehne (man gewöhnt sich so schnell an schöne Dinge) und einigen weiteren negativen Dingen ..
Ich freue mich schon wieder richtig auf meine Kiste :cool:
Viel Spass mit Deinem neuen Setup und immer Fehler- und Pannenfreie Fahrt wünsch ich!
Andi
Hallo....ich habe eine Frage zum RS6 Schaltknauf....passt der ohne Umbauten....??
Kannst Du bitte auch etwas zum Verbrauch sagen - vorher und nachher? Würde mich interessieren was es wirklich im täglichen Betrieb ausmacht.
überhaupt nichts.....wenn du genau fahren würdest wie vorher dann vielleicht 0,5l weniger....aber das machst du nicht
glaub ich gern das man das nicht macht ;-)
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Original geschrieben von rudiyoda1
Hallo....ich habe eine Frage zum RS6 Schaltknauf....passt der ohne Umbauten....??
das würde mich auch mal interessieren. scheint aber so zu sein...
hat jemand verbindliche infos?
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von rudiyoda1
Hallo....ich habe eine Frage zum RS6 Schaltknauf....passt der ohne Umbauten....??
Yep, darum hab ich diese Schaltknauf gewahlt.
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Original geschrieben von CarPassion
Kannst Du bitte auch etwas zum Verbrauch sagen - vorher und nachher? Würde mich interessieren was es wirklich im täglichen Betrieb ausmacht.
Dass ist Teil meiner test data, aber die erste Woche lass ich gehen, weil mann dann jeder Tripp voll aus geht :smile:
Erste 10T km OHNE Abt war durchschnitt verbrauch 14.1 liter / 100 km! Sehr schlecht im vergleich mit meiner vormalige S5 V8 (und S4 cabrio V8) womit ich 12,4 l / 100 km hätte.........beim gleichen Fahr style!
Mal sehen was es MIT Abt gibt nach 2-3 T km, ich wird das hier auch posten.
bzgl. Verbrauch sollte man sich imho echt keine Hoffnung machen, das es weniger wird oder gleich bleibt.
Theoretisch mag das sein, aber man erhöht nicht die Motorleistung um diese dann nicht abzurufen.
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von softwarefriedl
bzgl. Verbrauch sollte man sich imho echt keine Hoffnung machen, das es weniger wird oder gleich bleibt.
Theoretisch mag das sein, aber man erhöht nicht die Motorleistung um diese dann nicht abzurufen.
Ganz recht, wenn es schlechter wird, auch ok, aber mann ist da neugierig liest mann :)
BTW: mein vormalige chip tuning Auto's waren IMMER besser mit Verbrauch (40-60 km pro Tank, so mal sehen......).
100PS mehr- respekt... ich hoffe das geht auf dauer gut - aber du wirst und ja sicherlich berichten- und viel spass damit :)
Meist sind es ja "nur" 70 oder 80 PS mehr, da eigentlich alle V6T nach oben streuen (mit wenigen Ausnahmen).
Trotzdem stehe ich dem Chiptuning doch recht kritisch gegenüber, gerade was die Hersteller-Garantie betrifft.
Gruß Olli